Zombies ate the Marvel Universe

In this episode, Schuby returns to dive deep into the Marvel Zombies animated series, sharing the excitement and breakdown of the episodes. We discuss our favorite moments, the emotional weight of character deaths, and the intricacies of how Marvel interweaves its storyline. 

Chapters

• 1:54 Marvel Zombies Deep Dive
• 16:27 Marvel Zombies: Storytelling and Animation
• 29:02 Zombie Fascination and Personal Anecdotes
• 38:28 Speculations for Marvel Zombies Season 2

Transcript

00:00:00] Like I said before, I was into comic books, I was watching animated shows. And I'm still doing it to this day i'm getting really excited, for that new Marvel Zombie show that came out. I was so excited. I watched the whole thing. 

I haven't watched Marvel zombies just yet. I hear It is great. I hear it's more, more awesome than it is scary. They're afraid to hold back on this one. So that, that's what I really liked about it. It's definitely on my list, uh, along with the 50 other million things that I, well, if you have podcast on it, man, I'd be happy to come on. 

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From the vintage vaults to tomorrow's obsession. I'm your host to direct edition guiding you through today's epic quest, [00:02:00] Marvel zombies. And right here with me or digitally anyways, the ever awesome shoey. What's going on? Shoey? What's up, man? It seems like it's been forever since I've been on the show, you know? 

Um, you know, I missed you guys how much I, I actually had so much fun on the last show. You know, I felt like we talked about me a lot, but hopefully like we gonna be talking about the stuff that people are here for, man, that's Marvel. Zombies. Zombies. Excited. Well, you did say so excited. You did say on the last show that, if you ever wanna talk about Marvel zombies. 

I did. I did. I did. You know, I'm so, I'm so excited, dude, because I, I like. Marvel. Ha. Let's be honest, Marvel hasn't been like, it's kind like they're coming back a little bit Uhhuh, but like, they lost their way for a little bit, you know, like they kinda like lost the plot, but you know, now they're putting out more projects that are like else worldy, uh, I don't know if that's right. 

Yeah. Elsewhere, but That's right. And I'm all for it. You know, the [00:03:00] multiverse sagas is super fun. Oh yeah. Love. It, it seems to always be a hit when it's a multiverse saga, and it's like you were saying, I don't know if they've been on a decline or if it just got watered down with so many projects that they were putting out and, and I think a lot of people were running into the, the superhero fatigue. 

Part. Yeah. And it was just like the, they were chasing that high also. It was like after Avengers end game. Yeah. You weren't gonna be able to top that. There was no way. Yeah. Personally, I feel like, like, and I say this a lot and I still stand by this, I feel like the main MCU timeline should have been end ended at end game. 

And they should have wrapped up a few like, like loose ends, you know, with like guardians, the Galaxy three Spider-Man far from home, you know, just like wrap up those. You know, loose end stories, but for the most part, that should have been like the definitive ending. Yeah. Agreed. But personally, with Fantastic Four coming out with, uh, thunderbolts coming out mm-hmm. 

I, and you know what? I think Kang was [00:04:00] an, was a good character for what it was and I understand why they had to make the choices they did. Yeah. But, you know, I'm not too excited about, like, I'm excited about Dr. Doom. I'm not too pumped about it being Robert Downey Jr. But you know what? Finally let it happen. 

That agrees with me like, no, man. Like you're gonna get a Romani character. Get a Romani actor at, at least, you know. Yeah, yeah. You know, but no, no, no. Gotta get her Golden Goose back. You know? That's what sells tickets. $85 million. By the way, if you were wondering how much Robert is getting paid for this one movie, holy God's level, minus one. 

The budget on that movie was 19 million. You need to make what? Four or five minus one movies just to have Robert Downey Jr. In the movie alone. In the movie alone. Geez, I didn't know five when you putting it in that perspective. That's crazy. Yeah. But anyway, let's talk about, let's talk about zombies. 

Let's talk about zombies. Um, let's, that, let's, like I said in my, the last podcast, I like [00:05:00] Marvel, I love dc you know, so, you know, I'm always gonna have, I'm always gonna have GR with Marvel, but this is actually a project that I genuinely enjoy. It. I did too. I even went back and watched, what if, um, uh, season one, episode five, when they originally kicked off the, the Marvel Zombies. 

And first of all, two new fears were unlocked for me. And that was when, Hank Pi, or Yeah, Hank Pill shrink down as a zombie and he was biting people and that like what a way, what a wild way to spread the infection. Yeah, it is just mosquito size, just biting. You don't even know you're Yeah. 

Until you just feel it. And then 10 seconds later you'll find out pretty quickly, right? Like, oh shit. Oh, that wasn't a mosquito. That one is a zombie. That just, right. And the second one was, the zombie Queen scarlet Witch just oh my god. Terrifying. And they got Elizabeth O back for Elizabeth o. [00:06:00] Yes. 

Elizabeth A. Olson. Back to, to, you know, play the character and like we haven't heard from her in a while. Like Elizabeth Olson? Yeah. As the Scarlet, last time we saw her was in Dr. Strange. Mm-hmm. So like that's exciting too. Yes, it is. For me, honestly, a few fears that like maybe I got from it was like, I wouldn't say that I got scared by it, per se. 

I would say like if there was a zombie apocalypse, I would hate to be alone. Yeah. You know, like Kamala was really, was hurting throughout this entire project. Oh, man. And if go, but can we just talk about the fact that of all the things that Marvel did after endgame, Iman Ani was one of the best things that ever brought us. 

I love her death. Yes. And they really hit it outta the park with that one. They did. I, I just mean you can just see her enthusiasm. Like Yeah. Even you can tell that she really loved what she, she really [00:07:00] embodies that fan girl aspect of miss Marvel, Kamala. Yeah. And it's, it's a trip how well that they casted that. 

Yeah. So I, I, when I first watched it, you know, I finally sat down and watched it. Because, uh, Chubi was like, yeah, you need to watch this. You need to watch this, and I gotta give credit What credit do. 'cause uh, it, it was a damn good show. I mean it, after that first episode, I was just like. I, I was hooked. 

And personally it should, I wish they could have just made, I know why they made it a show. It made sense story-wise. 'cause they like, like everything had to like, build up. Yeah. But it, it could have easily just been a movie. Yes, because, but the reason why I like it as a show better is because they're telling multiple different stories in different aspects, you know, like. 

Some it starts with, you know, like it starts with our, we're going into full spoilers by the way, just letting everyone know. Yes, we are going into full spoilers. Uh, yeah. But, um, you know, it starts with Kate Bishop and Iron Heart and C [00:08:00] ah, Kamala. Ah, yeah, Cala. I don't know why I kept, I was tripping over our name for a second. 

But, uh, you know, it starts with them and then. The next episode, you know, we get ch we get Chong Q. Yes. Uh, we and all them., And then like the final episode is like when they all kind of meet together, kinda like the first Avengers movies. Like we get to meet all these characters and then we finally get to see 'em together, which is why I like it better as a show than a movie. 

But you can sit down and watch it in one sitting. And it's about, what, 22 minutes per episode? Yeah, about 22 times four. Yeah, I don't know, math. Um, if you cut out the credit and skip the 80 minutes. If you cut out the credits and skip the intros and yeah, you, you probably got a good 80 minute movie. 

Solid solid movie. But I loved it so much. I thought the pacing was fantastic, but I, I think one of the best things. That this show gave us was one, uh, two things. Two things that are so equal to each other that, that, I [00:09:00] will have to say them both. Now. The first thing was the pacing was fantastic and that they weren't afraid to really do anything. 

Everyone don't get attached to anybody. Right? But the second thing. Can we please talk about Blade for a minute? Can we talk, can we talk about Blade? Yes. Marcella Ali Blade, as a matter of fact, and, well, it wasn't, uh, Marcal Ali, but it, it was meant to be his version of Blade because it was different actor. 

It wasn't him per se, but the, the way that the careful was drawn, it was intended to be. Yeah, it, I'm just glad we finally get to see him. It's such like, like after all these times, they're just like, oh, we're gonna see him. We're gonna see him. Like we got him in Eternals for a voice cameo, and he was supposed to be in werewolf. 

By night. Werewolf by night. Yeah. He was supposed to be in that and then he got cut from that and then the movie just kept getting pushed [00:10:00] back, pushed back, pushed back. And Mia Goth, who is supposed to also be in the movie, she's known for the movie Pearl and X. She's the main girl from those movies. 

Uh, she's supposed to, she's saying that the project's still happening. You know, she said that if anything, it's better that this is keep getting pushback because it's giving them more time to write a good story. And I'm like, you know what? Okay. Anyway, I I, I'll give you that. 

Yeah, that's, I I can see that also, but it's, yeah, so, I mean, but apparently the Blade movie was supposed to come out before this show, and that's why we were, that's why they didn't have to introduce him because we were supposed to have already met him. 

You know, on that part. On that part where, uh, he rescued Kamala. I halfway expected it to be Bucky. Really? Because when I watched, um, the, what if the, the season, season one episode five, Marvel zombies, I could have sworn that Bucky was. [00:11:00] Still alive because there was a scene where he had cap shield and he was attacking Scarlet Witch and she froze him in the air and then she just threw him and then we didn't see him again. 

Yeah. So when, then when on this part, Hey man, in Marvel zombies, season two is definitely happening. Who knows, man? Oh yeah. We actually see him die on screen. Oh, okay. Well, that's why I was expecting him to be Bucky. I didn't remember if he had died or not, so I was just like, I might have to go back and rewatch it because like, this is, this is what I like about animation because everyone goes, oh, I love live action things don't get me wrong. 

Like, you know, people are like, I want a live action. I want a live action. I'm like, dude, no. Animation will come in clutch. Yeah, especially when it comes to budget, especially when it comes like they killed off fucking so many characters. They did like characters that if they killed in live action. People would flip, you know? 

Oh man, they killed. Okay. Who was, who was your most heartbreaking death? Who, who was using it to expect to die? Oh, it's [00:12:00] gotta be Red Guardian. Red Guardian. Red Guardian is so fun for me. I love David Harbor's take on the character and like, he was just fucking hungry, man. He didn't know, like my man was starving and he was just like, oh yeah, Turkey legs. 

No, no, no. Oh man, leg. Ah, and then he is a zombie and like, but it's not just that, it was the heartfelt thing between him and uh, Elena. Yes. Uh, and especially after seeing Thunderbolts. Yeah. You know, I work with this dude, one of our editors at the news station. He's a big comic book guy too, Uhhuh, and he made this point to me in the movie Thunderbolts. 

He said, you wanna know how I know David Har is good at what he does is because he was the most comedic character in that movie. But when he was heartbroken about Yelena tying in, uh, thunderbolts for a second. Yeah. Like when she got put into the void. He is acting ena like, like he's crying and it's like you could [00:13:00] feel it. 

Yeah. And he was the comic relief, you know, so, and that's DA and David Harbor brought that energy and both, um, uh, what is it? Florence Pugh and David Harbor brought that back for this show. They brought back, you know, Yelena, you know, sacrificing herself and saying goodbye. And it, it's just, it's so impactful. 

And so when I had to see it again is really what it was for me, I was like, oh my God, not again. Now, it's like, it's hard, you know? Especially 'cause I know what it's like to, see a parent, go like, like I, both my parents are very much alive. Let me put that on record. 

But like, you know, my dad was in the military. I had to watch him go out to sea all the time. Mm-hmm. I remember my mom used to tell me, I used to stand on the end of the pier and just watch the boat go underwater. 'cause he was. Um, yeah. Oh man. I'll say that the, for me, uh, it was the first one, it was Kate Bishop that the Oh, yeah. 

Because seeing them three, I thought they were going like team up and go on to the end, [00:14:00] like make it to the, all the way to the end. Yeah. And. When Kate Bishop, she fired that arrow and it was nothing but confetti. Confetti. Yeah. I I still, up until the last minute, I still was like, oh, she's gonna get out the way. 

Somebody's gonna rescue her or, or something. And then just. But it needed to be done. It integrat, it needed to be done here. Let me explain. It needed to be done due solely to the fact to tell you that this show is not fucking around. Yeah. Everyone's on the line. Yes. No matter how much you like this character, there's a chance. 

But a character that blew my mind that we saw was, um, Icarus. Yes. And he is not a zombie because he's technically an Android. And, and they were just like, this is the valley of the, was it the Valley of the Gods or Valley of the Yeah. Valley of the Death. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And oh man, that was the, and that's another thing that got me about the, the Marvel Zombie Show is that they, they just, the way they pulled from [00:15:00] every Marvel movie or, or show and just, just pulled it in and created this like one single linear story. 

Yeah. Overall, it was just amazing the way they did that. Yeah. The ro I like, uh, this was written by, uh, Z Wells, wasn't it? Yes. Z Wells. Yeah. You know, it's crazy to think about, like, look, I'm not a big fan of that Spider-Man run. He did. You know, where you kind of made Peter Parker a c uh, but um, but literally it was to the point where he wa he wasn't allowed to go to cons. 

Marvel wouldn't let him go to Cons because they were afraid somebody was gonna kill him. No, that was a real thing that was happening. Like, he couldn't leave. And go to a con and meet his fans because people were that upset with him. And now, you know, he helped write Deadpool three. He helped write, she, uh, he was on She Hole. 

Uh, you know how much everyone loves that? Yeah. But, uh, I personally lo he did that episode where they did the, the group therapy episode, which [00:16:00] was my personal favorite episode. I guess that one Spider-Man story was a swing in the miss. But the fact that people were literally praying for death upon this man, and then he puts out this, this really good story, right? 

Like, I mean, I gotta give credit. We're credited too. He did a great job. I mean, they can't all be winners, I guess. Yeah, yeah. You gotta learn from the bad to, to get together. But I think one of the craziest pieces was watching, uh, the Shung Chi, outbreak. Yes. The, that was insane for me. 

Um, yeah, that was amazing to me, the, to see how like his father sacrificed himself. Yeah. And I thought Shank Che was gone, like when he got bit Oh yeah. And I was, oh. I was like, oh, shoot, that's, that's, he's done. And his father showed up and the Mandarin sacrificed himself because he totally, yeah, he, at the end of the day, he cares about his kid. 

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I mean, if we didn't see it before, we definitely saw it now. Yeah. And I hope maybe we see, uh, uh, [00:17:00] Shung Chi's sister in the next season. That that'd be dope. Like she has like her own underground thing going on. That'd be so sick. Death dealer, uh, definitely came in Clutch. Oh, this man. 

But, uh, before I get into Death Dealer, let me, let me talk about like Sh Chi, because not a lot of people think about this, and I don't know if you thought about it or not, but this was like quite literally the outbreak. This like. Like in the What If episode? They went in at PIM Labs. Uhhuh, and that's where it started. 

Yeah. In the Quantum Zone. That's in San Francisco. Mm-hmm. Where Sean Chi was at the exact same time. Right. So we were watching people grow into a giant person, and then they're like, what's going on? And then boom. And then you see Jimmy Wu come out of nowhere, and then everyone's like, what's Jimmy Woo doing there? 

He's chasing Scott Lang. That's what he was doing. Yeah. And that's what I was saying. Just the way that they pulled, like from, from so many di Yes. [00:18:00] You, you definitely had to have an idea of what was going on at every, it was like that scene in Avengers end game when they were trying to find, when they found out that there were three infinity stones in New York at the exact same time, they were like, holy crap, these, these were all here at the same time. 

Let's put that together in one like sequence. And that's what they did for the Shong Q episode. And I loved it. Uh, and the reason I was so heartbroken about Kate Bishop is that they gave me that, that young Avenger slash champions vibe. And that's why I'm kind of glad they didn't, because I wanna see that happen in the main timeline before I see somewhere else. 

Okay. Get you that. Okay. I can do that. Okay. Yeah. Or maybe not on the big screen, just in the main cannon timeline. Okay. Earth eight. Uh, one, uh, 0, 0, 0, 0 1, whatever. It's not 6 1 6, fuck you. But, um, yeah, I thought that was a, just a fantastic team up and I loved the way that Katie. Kind [00:19:00] of finally, like she was using the rings as well, like later on in the show. 

Yeah. Yeah. I, I wanna say it was surprising, but considering the relationship that them two had, it wasn't, of course, he would share the rings with her and he help her give her that extra edge to survive, like the apocalypse, the zombie apocalypse, right. Like that. And I halfway expected him to get to a moment. 

'cause they never really explained, like when his father passed the rings on to him, it just stopped the spread and you noticed throughout the whole show it always stays on. Yeah. And like what I was expecting is that the more he used it, the more it was spread or something like that to give him like the, he just kept that one there thing. 

Yeah, he just kept that one right there on his arm. I'm trying to think out of all four, I'm trying to think like, which one I enjoy the most and. Well, I could tell you which one I did, and I, while you, they were all so good. I can tell you which one I liked the most. If you, which one was, if you wanted time, it's time to think about it. 

For me, it was the raft episode. [00:20:00] Zemo, you know, when we gotta see the, uh, nur and all the Atlan atlanteans. Uh, I thought that seeing Baron Zemo take over the entire raft with, uh, with John Walker Uhhuh was such a beautifully done choice, and I thought that like, this was what Zemo kind of wanted for himself. 

And, you know, like this, like he was just like, he wanted a little bit of power over his, and that's what he got, you know, and I, and I also thought that it was very well done. Bringing in the raft, you know? And instead of it just being a prison, they turned it into, and like, there was like a secret underground thing where they were sacrificing people, you know? 

And, but I think one of the coolest details from that episode was nur having shark teeth, which I thought was so, I don't, if you go back and re watch it, I had, I was gonna say, I didn't know he had shark teeth. Uh, they gave him shark teeth for this. Oh wow. So zombie nomore has shark teeth. It's dope. And I thought that was so cool to like [00:21:00] see. 

I also thought like a lot of the underwater aspects were were super dope, but I don't know, was it the last episode or this, or the third episode where they actually got to space and found out that the Nova core was already there? Uh, I think it was the, no, it was the third episode and then it's the last episode started with them, the fourth grade going back to, so yeah, we found out that the Novaco knew the whole time. 

The whole time. Didn't Dick? The whole time Dick and, well, I don't know. I don't know what, what they would've been able to do. It depends on what time they got there. I mean, it could have been, it could have gotten there and go park on. They were just like, all right, we just have to quarantine. All we know is that Thanos had infinity stones and Zombie. 

Thanos had infinity stones, and yeah, so he clearly knew how to use them. I was glad to see, uh, Parker and, and Scott Lang had survived. And even Tah Tah came back for a little bit too. For a little bit, yeah. And even though he [00:22:00] didn't have any speaking roles, how'd you, can I ask you how, how'd you feel about Peter Parker? 

Saying the Wakanda forever? Well, I wasn't different about it. I just, I didn't think, well, I , for me it is, it was either Kamala or Peter that always kept that embodiment of hope between them. Yeah. Like no matter what happened, it was both of them that above all else, they maintain that hope that we're gonna win this, we're gonna make it through. 

Yeah. It just, it felt weird. Like I liked the idea of Peter Parker kind of rehashing the narrative of everything that happened. Yeah. Like letting you know, keep, just in case you didn't rewatch the what if episode like you did, because I didn't, but because I knew they were gonna reference it in some way or fashion. 

Yeah. And I was like, yeah, I don't really need to rewatch this. But, um, the one thing that did bug me, he was like, the last thing he said was. Well, I was like, you could have easily took like one, because Chadwick Bozeman said it like a million times in the [00:23:00] last movies. Yeah. You know, just reused the audio. 

Like, like a lot of people are against like the use of AI and, and, and I am too. Don't get. Okay. I want that to be on record. I am okay totally against using ai, but I'm totally for reusing audio from an older movie, you know? Mm-hmm. Of Chadwick going Wakanda forever. Or something like that. Like you could've easily just put in that little soundbite or something. 

I feel like it would've been way more impactful for everyone to hear Chadwick Boseman's voice. Yeah. I, it probably because they did for ob y Kenobi a bunch of times. Yeah, they did actually. Yeah. Now that you bring it up. Yeah. You know, and, and it was just as impactful, you know, with uh, Alec Guinness. But, you know, I think that, but besides that point. 

Uh, I think them wa just seeing the Black Panther take out Thanos, right. Was, and he only had one leg. Keith had in mind, this motherfucker had one leg and he took out Thanos. Where was that? In Infinity War. Like [00:24:00] he had to do what he had to do. I'm like, it was nobody else, so. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, my favorite episode was the third episode. 

We had so much hope and so much power. Like happened and we felt like this big buildup. They were like, we finally got it. We won. And then boom, boom, Novaco turns out they're not gonna help you at all. And I say, are they not gonna help you? They we're gonna try to kill you, destroy you. The fact that they didn't even try to negotiate. 

They were like, there's no way. But at the same time, I understand why, because these zombies, like in the comics, are a little sentient. Yeah. They are like, and like Wanda Max Moff was the most sentient obviously, but Wanda was the most, like you can see Thanos when he's using the Infinity stones, when they're wa when we were watching that fight of him like, oh, this goes back in. 

So one second. Hold up. Yeah. And you can see with Hawkeye too, like literally he, in the [00:25:00] first episode that bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Like he clearly knew what he was doing. Yeah. You know, and he reported back to Wanda. You know, like these were in, you know, ACO obviously, but obviously she was under Wanda's spell, so that's why she was a little more question though. 

Thank you question though. Who was the guy in the Quinjet? I couldn't place who that was. Okay. So we don't know exactly who that is, but my theory is who was that one scientist dude from Thor? Um. Oh, uh, Eric, I think it was him. Eric, what was his? Eric? Eric. Eric something. Yeah. I think that it was him. You think it was him? 

Because it kind of looked like him, but I, I can't, like, it had to be somebody with, with access to pimp particles. 'cause they shrunk it down and then they swallowed it. Mm-hmm. I didn't know if Eric had access to pimp particles. Well, I'm sure by the time there was a zombie apocalypse, he would've, and he would've found out where the origin was. 

He probably would've went into pentech a little bit. Yeah. That that could have happened. Yeah, [00:26:00] that's true. And, and he was in a quinjet, meaning that he was affiliated with shield. Mm-hmm. That's why I think it was him, but it could just been just some random shield agent at the end of the day. Did you know like just a guy? 

Yeah. They tied everything else in. I was, yeah. I know they did. They did. And, but like that, that, that's why I say that it's him because of all the people who it could have been. He's the most logical. Yeah. I, I was hoping for some type, another type of Easter egg or, or something that, you know, who would've been cool is if it was Lauren's fish Burn's character. 

Oh. Like Goliath, uh, Goliath. Uh, bill Foster. Bill Foster. Yeah. That would've been like, it would've sucked to see him dead, but like still. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, like I said, we're getting a season two. Hopefully. I, yeah. What a, a hell of a cliffhanger to leave it on. Yeah, I know. Part was just like I thought had figured it out. 

I thought everything was good and golden, but, and Riri [00:27:00] Williams is so underrated. Yes. By the way, I, I, I feel like not enough people are talking about the fact that she literally found a cure. 

Right. We had a cure at the Be and she tested it on herself, and because she did that, it worked. She was like, well, better late than ever. Right? I don't wanna die. I didn't wanna try it this way, but, so you leave me no choice. And she, she did such, I, I, and I wanna know how she got out of there. I, I assume Friday. 

Friday maybe. Yeah. Yeah, because Friday did go back. That is true. That is. I, I was really excited to see like the Ironman suit with the teddy bear head. I thought that was adorable and 

yes, it was adorable. I will give them that. Yeah. So I mean like when they did, like, I remember when they first announced the what if zombies. I was like, wait, hold up, hold up. What are they doing? And I was, that was my, and I'm not gonna lie to you, I think that's my favorite episode [00:28:00] of what if Uhhuh, you know. 

Uh, especially because the thing that I love about what if comics is, that's where I started collecting. Okay. Like for reels, like I started on what if, and the one thing that I didn't like about the What If show was that one, like the one thing that what if comics never did was they never overlapped with each other. 

Mm-hmm. And that's what they did in the What If Show they overlapped and they had them all team up. And I guess for that story it worked. But the Marvel Zombies one. It always felt separate. Like they, they, they referenced them a little bit in that last episode when Wanda came out and did her thing. But besides that, that was it. 

You know, I was like, oh, so and so when they announced this show, I was like, okay, I, I, I'm a rock with this, this is, I always loved the idea of different, I, like, I've always, I'm always gonna be a fan of the original stuff, but like else world's at dc. I'm always, I always love those stories because you [00:29:00] get to see it from a different perspective. 

You know, zombies, especially, I love zombie stuff. I think that is like, like I'm not a big like paranormal horror fan because I don't believe in ghosts. Me either. Like, like the conjuring, like I, I enjoy the Conjuring movies and stuff like that, but I don't believe in ghosts. Like I, like, that's my red flag by the way. 

Uh, I, I think ghosts are, are, are fake and so like when I see stuff like that, but when zombies. That's, I feel like that could happen, you know? So that's low key scares me and that's why I kind get into that. It's funny, my youngest one, um, he's in this, I don't know why, I guess, 'cause it's close to Halloween or something, but he will not watch anything like zombie related or the mention of the word zombie. 

He's like. Shoot, he's like out of the room like Zoom and how old. He like, what? 10 We were putting on, we were putting on Marvel zombies and, and he's like, well, I, I wanna go to the other room, because he had to like [00:30:00] cross the living room to get to the other room. He said, this says TV MA dad, I can't do this. 

He, so I was like, I'll pause it and you can run by and then yeah, we pause it and, but then later on I found him like. Sneaking by like peeking to try to see what the show's about. I'm like, okay. That's how he gets you? Yeah. How old is he? Uh, he's nine. You don't mind? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So he is getting to that age where he's starting to like, he, you know, show him those. 

Have you, has he seen the original Scooby-Doo movies? Uh, no. Like the 2000. No, not that with Freddie Prince and Sarah Michelle, Derek. Yeah. Yeah. You should probably show, show 'em those, like those are gonna be a good introduction into horror. That's what I, that's what I did. I call those like pre horror movies. 

Alright. Yeah. That's, they're like a good introduction into the horror realm. Yeah. But he likes reading all new Venom, so. Yeah. 

Um. Yeah. Was there [00:31:00] any particular moment or any particular death or so that caught you off guard? Uh, let me think. I mean, like, they all kind of caught me off guard, but mm-hmm. I mean, like there wasn't, like I said earlier, it was really the Nova Court thing that caught me off guard. Yeah. That was really the only thing, but like a death in particular. 

Maybe it was Kate Bishop, I guess. Kate Bishop, because like I kind of knew one of them were, I knew one of the three were gonna go. Yeah. But like Kate Bishop, like, I guess I didn't expect her to go that way. I think Kate Bishop, I knew she was gonna go, but I didn't know she was gonna go like that. Yeah. 

Like I did not expect the trick arrow that she caught was gonna be some confetti. And yeah. I'm like, why did you firing at her in the first place. Right? Yeah. And so, you know, and to see Captain Marvel just absolutely obliterate her. Mm-hmm. Might I add, by the way, they really went into detail on the death here, [00:32:00] because if you watch it closely, you could see her skeleton. 

Her skeleton. Yes. And that happened with a lot of, um. A lot of the characters that died and that's why it got this TV MA rating. It wasn't 'cause of swearing uhhuh, like there was a little bit of swearing, but like the real thing that got this TV ma was those blade scenes of them slicing and dicing and the, the blood flying everywhere. 

Oh yeah. It got gruesome. It, it got gruesome. And when Namor got onto the, the raft and he was just shredding everybody. Oh man. That was an unexpected part for me. Yeah. And just the way that he just tore through half of the team, so to speak, just in an instant and they were gone like, damn. So that, that right there caught me off guard. 

I mean, I knew there was Gore, I leading up to that, but it kind of. When it got to that scene, I'm, I was just almost had me clutching my pearls. I was just like, oh, [00:33:00] Marvel. I didn't know you did that Marvel. You, you were like one of those moms at the Deadpool movie. Like, I thought this was for family, right? 

What? What's that? What was it that, uh, Deadpool said in the first movie, he's like, my boyfriend told me this was a superhero movie, but that guy just turned that other guy to a fucking kebab. Right? Yep. Absolutely. But no seeing Blade. Can we, we need to talk about those. The blade scene where he was just slicing Indic like the blade moon night. 

Collab. Yes. So perfect. Yeah, it is. Uh, blade as the, the avatar Concho. Um, I feel like that's gonna be another what if story coming soon down the line just by how popular, I hope they could do that. But like, it not be zombie related. It is just like blade and concho. Yeah. Like, like it's like a different universe, you know, like Yeah. 

That, that's where what if comes in. [00:34:00] That's why. Oh my God. It could have been such a great anthology series. Ah, don't even get me started. Don't even get me started. I'm say, okay again, I like Marvel. I love dce. Okay. 

And you see, they even, they even called out the, the moon night aspect of it where, where he was like wearing white and the zombie apocalypse. That's a bold choice. Yeah, I know. And I, I thought that it was funny where you can like see Blade like look up. At Chu, but we don't see him. Yeah. Like, like, like there are points where he is like, he doesn't tell me everything. 

Like, what am I mean? Like, chu's such a dick. I'm not gonna lie. 

Oh. And then we finally got, see what happened to Hulk. 'cause I, I thought Hulk didn't make it. Yeah. But dude, infinity Hog, dude, I thought that that was so beautifully done. Yes, it was. Yes, it was. I I almost think he would be stronger than that though. I [00:35:00] mean, I, I, he would've been, I get the overwhelming a just, they had to, they had to write it that way. 

Like Yeah. I, but I, I almost, at some point I thought he would be stronger than that. He, like, these were just, you know, mindless, zombie hoards. And she was throwing everything at him. Yeah. But with the power, I mean, Thanos walked through everybody with that power. Yeah. And Hulk, it was unchecked. It, you know, it was almost like, it, almost like it was made for this, right. 

He was the anchor and yeah. For him to not be able to weld it, I just, I know, I guess they had to give him limitations or whatnot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, like you can't, he's not the immortal Hulk, unfortunately. Yeah. You know what would, what would've been cool was if they turned him into the bistro. Like we saw him with a beard. 

With the beard that would've been sick because they got rid of all his hair, like he was bald. I'm like, what's going on here? Like, it was weird seeing the Hulk bald. That was weird for me. I don't know why. It just was, can't explain it. We, I've seen him ball [00:36:00] before. Um, I think it was a Peter David run where he was Yeah, I'm sure. 

He was finally, uh, he gave an interview and he said that, you know, essentially Hulk and Banner are the two sides of the same coin. So if banner cuts hair, hope should, should have a, a, a low haircut as well. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. But yeah. Yeah. Without, but. Um, speaking of that though, that whole fight between like Infinity Hulk and all of the zombies, like when Ka uh, when Kamala came in, like, and just like started like slicing people's heads off. 

Yeah. I thought that that was such a big moment for her because at the first episode she kind of did a similar move. But she wasn't slicing their heads off. Yeah. She was just basically moving them out the way. Yeah. But then she found out, she was just like, the Nova core's not gonna help. Mm-hmm. So she was just like, I we're on our own. 

And that's when she thinned out that little thing and sliced and diced. And then you see Spider-Man come in [00:37:00] and put, and then rip their heads off. Yanking heads off. Yeah. Oh my God. Seeing Spider-Man rip somebody's head off. Was. Was, I'm not gonna lie, it was a highlight for me. Um, uh, I was like, holy shit, I was, nobody was ready for that. 

Are there any episodes that was like your least favorite or anything? I can't say that. Like if I had to pick what my least favorite was, it would probably be like. Honestly, like, even though it was such a great fight, the fourth episode mm-hmm. Was because it, it felt like a letdown. Mm-hmm. You know, and like after seeing the Nova Core, like I was built up and, and maybe, and that was kind of the point, you know, and they were like, oh, but, but like you said, the Hulk should have been stronger. 

Yeah. There were so many things about it, like, and it felt like they were just writing it to write it, but like, I enjoyed it for what it was. I'm not like [00:38:00] shitting on it. Like I'd give it like a seven outta 10 for that, that final episode. Yeah. But it, it was just like, it was just like, I, I, I was really hoping that Nova, because I love the Novaco. 

I, I'm big guardians of the galaxy. Yeah, I get it. So like, yeah. So it's just like, it'd be like, oh man, I can't wait to see the Novaco come in on this, you know? And who knows? Maybe we could, we already got Blade, might as well see Richard Ryder, you know, come in and just like plow through some people. What do you think they gonna do for season two though? 

Oh, yeah. Obviously, obviously we're gonna get a season two. Well, obviously like we got Wanda back in, uh, I hope they don't try and tie this back to the main universe and this is how they bring Wanda back. Mm-hmm. Um, I really hope that's not what they do, but like, I, I hope they, like, they really dive into, uh, Kamala's like. 

Mind right now because she's been all hope. She's been all hope. And she thought that the hope [00:39:00] she, she thought that she finally won and now it's just gone. And, and then she sees Riri. Yeah. And she's just like, oh my gosh. Like, and I think that this, we should try and dive into Kamala's mental state and so, and Riri being alive and because of course. 

It seemed like when Wanda took over the, the cosmic or the infinity stones, the unchecked energy, then she, she claimed that she was gonna rewrite reality. Yeah. And make it better. But it seemed like she just layered over it. It was like, that's exactly what she did. Just for Kam. Just for Kamala. And, and, and what I wanna know is. 

Because, you know, I figured out she wanted Kamala. She didn't want the, the device, you know, she wanted Kamala. It was like, what does Kamala's Power or Kamala herself have to do? Yeah. With like what Scarlet Witch is, is a, or maybe is, yeah, like in, I don't know if it's her power, but I [00:40:00] think it's her power level. 

Mm-hmm. Is Kamala strong enough to take out Wanda? Like what is, because she's putting this, like you said, a layer over that. Yeah. So clearly, clearly she's trying to trick her and keep her out of the way. Keep her out of the way. Right. What does she have that scares you? And they kind of changed her power set for the MCU. 

Yeah. Like, she's not stretchy like she was in the comic. Yeah. It's more like cosmic powery based from the Bengal. Yeah. And, and that's what she had in the show when she first began. Yeah. So they kind of changed that. Yeah. You know, like, so I hope to see some characters like really show up maybe that we hadn't seen yet at all. 

You know, like we, I just meant, we just mentioned Lords, fishburg. I mean, I think Goliath should come and clutch. Mm-hmm. Beautiful. You know, I think, think that, yeah. I mean, like literally it was the, the quantum realm that where this all started. Yeah, [00:41:00] that because they found Janet Van Dyne in the quantum realm as a zombie. 

So I feel like Goliath is the only like, or maybe Cassie. Do you think Cassie's alive? Uh, no. Well, she could, well, no, I don't think Cassie's alive. Okay. Well, it, I'd like to say Cassie or because they showed off that Cassie was very, very much getting into the quantum realm. Yeah, I'd like to think if Cassie was alive, then she would've been with Riri and Kamala and, and Kate. 

Well, keep in mind she's in San Francisco. They were in New York. Oh. So that's why. Yeah. But I feel like Goliath or Cassie should show up at some point, somebody related to the pin particles that knows it better than anybody. Mm-hmm. Uh, somebody that could like, be like, what is the, where is the source of this? 

it was, is there any characters that you wanna see show up? Uh, like, I would love to see Ghost Rider. That'd be different. Oh man. You took that one. That was, that's a nice [00:42:00] pick. Uh, what I personally thought we were gonna see Ghost Rider in this show. Like when I, when I first saw that motorcycle pull up, I was like, holy shit, wait, hold up, hold up. 

And like, like a small part of me was just like, please. Please, please. And then it was, and then it was even better. It was Blade. I'm like, okay, you know what? I rock with this. I rock with this. You know what? I actually like to see the century show up. Oh, if anyone's gonna put an end to that fight between Captain Marvel and Icarus, it should be the century. 

Now, keep in mind, this is happening before the events of the Eternals. So. Do you think that the, uh, that the eternal living inside of the earth is dead? Huh? Probably not. I just don't think they had it had the right. Do you think it still has a chance to hatch? Yeah. I mean, because it feeds on the earth. 

It [00:43:00] feeds on the earth and the life on earth. That's what it feeds on. So it's still life, it's just the human population is, is diminished. Mm-hmm. If anything, it should be more life. Yeah. I hope, like in a season three or season four, they allude to that. They go, that's, that's why like, maybe it's like, it's like, guys, I think we beat all the zombies. 

Ah, fuck. 

That's what she's trying to prevent is like the celestial from happening. And then that's what the Nova core would really have to step in because they're trying to keep the, and if they see that in eternal, like it's not an eternal, but like a what? What are these celestial? Are these girls like acting to the celestial? 

The celestial, if they see a celestial zombie come outta the earth? Like, that's what the novocore would have to like, really fucking, that would be insane. You know, like, this is where our, I'm going with this now. Like, and this is why I don't like it when they try to tie things back to the main canon. Like, stop doing that. 

Okay. Like, [00:44:00] there are so many things we could do here. 

It's the beauty of else's world. You can do whatever you want, right. And, and they pretty much did when they started, like popping people and, yeah. And then they, they started popping people. Yeah, exactly. I loved the, oh dude, I totally forgot to mention this. Y what was y Elena's mom's name. Oh, uh, I can't remember. 

She was controlling the zombies. Like she, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, I was like, that's in, I like the way that they, they, when they introduced the character is, it was like their way of surviving the zombie apocalypse and how everyone had their own separate ways, like the where, um. Uh, Valkyrie and they all had come to earth. 

They had walled off the part of the city, um, Elena and, and red gardening. And, and they found a scientific way to like use the, the red room to control the, the zo. They were, and they explained it like they were already, yeah, they were already like mindless. [00:45:00] So it was, the technology was very easy to control them. 

Do we know a taskmaster is alive in this version? Like, have we seen taskmaster? I don't, no one's mentioned taskmaster. So it, I be, that'd be cool to see her. 'cause like after what happened to her in Thunderbolts, like I was like, ah. Right. Like, I get it, but like, not like a cheap shot. But yeah, like you said, somebody had to go like, yeah, it was, and it was, it was a lot like Kate Bishop's, you know, in the Thunderbolts. 

It was just like, Hey, everyone's online here. Okay. Yeah. Nobody, nobody's safe. Somebody has to die to show you how real the stakes are. Yes. Yeah. So last question. You know what? I feel like I'm gonna go watch it again after this. I might, I was just thinking about it. I might need to go rewatch this. 

I should have done it today, but, but I got caught up watching Star Trek lower deck. Yeah. Oh, oh, okay. Well, not to get off topic, but Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Let's finish up this podcast then we'll do, are there any. [00:46:00] Any, uh, comic books that you could recommend? Uh, other than Marvel Zombies, that would be a good reason. 

Well, yeah. Well, Marvel Zombies was obviously, um, you know, Marvel Zombies was written by Robert Kirkman. Mm-hmm. So, walking Dead right there. Okay. But, you know, if you want superhero zombies, especially ones that, because Marvel Zombies in the comic book, it focuses on the superheroes as zombies. More than it does the villain or more than the survivors. 

But if you wanna focus on survivors that are superheroes, deceased is the easiest way to go. Uh, I love deceased. Uh, it was written by Tom Taylor, drawn by Greg Capla. Such fantastic work. Have you read Deceased? I haven't read seats dude, you're missing out. Like it is. It is the superior zombie comic book. 

Is it? Uh, between Marvel Zombies and dcs, DCS will take the damn cake every single time. Me? And like I said, I'm more fond of DC but like, I feel like Tom, like they follow the [00:47:00] survivors and how, you know, we watch Damien Wayne grow up and become Batman. Okay. And we see Jason to, oh dude, what they do to Jason Todd, bro, you're not good. 

You are gonna be so, uh, you're gonna be pissed after what they do to your boy night wing. Oh, I dunno if I'm gonna read it now. Ah, dude, it's first issue, man. You're fucked. I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna give it to you straight. Uh, he was one, but like, like do you know how the zombie like virus spreads in deceased? 

No. Um, okay, so let me give you a quick rundown. Dark side. He found the anti-life equation. Oh, okay. Okay. That's, that's what starts the zombie outbreak. Mm-hmm. And it was in Cyborg because Cyborg was connected to a mother box. And when he, when he found out Cyborg, and then he sent Cyborg back to earth, and the second cyborg hit Earth, every person, me and you right now, we would be zombies, every person looking at a screen Oh. 

Would turn into a zombie. So if you're looking at your phone. If you and I we're looking at computers right now, if you're watching [00:48:00] tv, you are a zombie. Oh man. And then obviously if you get bit, yeah, that's so yeah, Batman Gold. He said Batman was dead the second that book got green lit and that's right on the cover. 

By the way, the cover of deceased is Batman dead already. So just just know that that's not budget. But yeah. It's so fucking good, dude. Like, like I would love to see a Bruce Tim animated esque movie, like an animated movie for dcs. Oh my God. And there's four books already. Like four. There's an omnibus now. 

Yeah. I remember when they first announced it, I got the first issue and I collected, I have every single issue right here. I'm looking right at it. Oh my gosh. I, I actually have the top book right there, signed by Greg Capullo, DC is number one. Heck yeah. So, yeah, it's such a good read. I highly recommend DC's to [00:49:00] every person ever. 

But yeah, no, walking Dead is also a good one. But yeah, I, I think deceased. I was gonna say, I, I haven't read deceased, but I have played a board game called Zombie Side, and they did a, deceased version. And, uh, after I played Zombie Side, that was the first one that I bought. It was the, the deceased version. 

And they also have a Marvel Zombies version of it. Yeah. But they want like 160 bucks for that. I'm just like, oh gosh. No, not right now. No. No. Yeah. 

Well sh be, uh, again, I appreciate you jumping on Of course and running through Marvel zombies with me. Uh, it's, thank for having me. A pleasure. And I felt like it a long place, but I, I think it was a good conversation. I mean, with, with comics it is just with all the history that comics had, it's so many like branches that it can spin off. 

Yeah. I think the one thing that, but before we do close out, I think the [00:50:00] one thing I want to say. Is, I wish Robert Kirkman had a little bit of a role to play in this show. Oh yeah. Um, you know, like Walking Dead, he's an executive producer on The Walking Dead. Yeah. He's an executive producer on Invincible, both books that he wrote. 

Yeah. Animated show. No. One of the best ones ever made. And then on top of that, walking Dead is one of the best zombie shows out there, if not the best. Yeah. That's up for debate, but. Like, do you know, like, I feel like if you're gonna do a Marvel Zombie show, the guy who wrote Marvel Zombies has a background in these two things. 

I feel like he should have been on as a consultant at the least. At the least, or at least like a special thanks. Yeah. But that's all I, that's all I wanted to say there, that like, I feel like Robert Kirkman was a little left out on the, because he didn't even know about it until they announced it to us. 

That's when he found out. Oh, and he said that, he's like, I, I just found out about this. He was like, I was like, oh, crap. Really? I see your point. And, and I concur. I concur. I'm always for like, they, you [00:51:00] know, because if Stan Lee was still alive, you know, his ass would've had a cameo. Yeah. But, you know, zombie. 

Yeah, zombie stand. But, I was talking to Colin Bun a few years ago. And he said that in the original Deadpool movie, you remember the Deadpool board that they had? Well, originally Daniel Way, Colin Bun and Jerry Duggan were all written on that board with Rob Feld. 

But then they erased all three of them, kept Liefeld and wrote Miley Cyrus and shit like that. He told me that. Yeah. So you know, like they're quick to do it and I'm just like, why? Like these are guys that wrote these books that are making you money, you know? And I feel like Robert Kirkman was left out and Arthur Sudan. 

I've met Arthur Sudan. He was, he's known as the zombie comic book guy. Uh, he's done artwork for a bunch. Like he did all the covers for Marvel Zombies. Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, like just a special big thanks at the end of the show. Like, and it, and I [00:52:00] might rewatch it. I'm gonna see if they did, but I just wanted to throw that out there before. 

Uh, I, I feel like. The comic book writers and artists aren't getting a much, as much love as they deserve Yeah. For these projects that are coming out. You know, and that's what I love about James Gunn. Every, like, like, uh, he gave John Oand a cameo in the suicide squad, and, uh, he was referenced, you know, in the New Peacemaker Show, uh, Paul Berg got a, got a shout out. 

They, they were like, meet us at Paul Berg Park. Boom, right there. That's all you have to freaking do, man. 

Go, oh, we're driving down What? Riri Turn on Kirkman Road. Boom. Right, like right the fucking air dude. Like it's so easy. It's so easy. Yeah. And it sucks because Z Wells is writing it and he's a comic book writer. Like, come on man. I mean, when you have a point, you have a point. Yeah. Yeah. [00:53:00] So, all right. That, that's all. 

Okay. I'll let you do your, your own close out now. Sorry, I had, I had to get that off my chest. No. Is, is there, uh, I know you threw your, your socials out last time. I mean, if there's anybody you wanna give a shout out to or tell the people when they can find you. Yeah. Feel this is a shout out. I mentioned one of my, our editors, uh, a shout out to the homie Steve for picking up on that. 

That, that, thunderbolts thing. But, there, there's a few shout outs. You know, I just went to the Jacks creators event last night at the leaderboard. Yes. Um, we, I met a lot of cool people there. Uh, I like doing it at the leaderboard 'cause that's where all the nerdy ones go. They're, yeah. 

We're nerds. It's like, yeah, I, I'm too. And so, like meeting all of them, I, I feel like if you are in the Jacksonville area, follow the Jacks creator's account. And go to one of the networking things. I know that being a nerd doesn't feel like it will fit in, but I promise you your people are there. I promise they are. 

I can agree. Like literally that's how me and this guy here met. Yep. You know, so, um, yeah, it, it, but [00:54:00] yeah, if I were to shout out, but, uh, you guys can follow me at Chuy Bert, that's S-C-H-U-B-Y-D-O-O-B-E-R-T. Uh, I'm on all platforms, so yeah. All right. Well, again, I appreciate it. Sh I thank you for hopping on and, and talking Marvel zombies with me. 

And, um, remember you guys live your best geek life. Play games, read comics, watch anime geek responsibly. Peace. [00:55:00]